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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Lowebo » Sun May 23, 2004 10:38 pm

Spose... But still, Oakley wasn't evil... ok, not necessarily angelic either but at least he had a personality unlike most wall monsters - the doors do not bloody count!
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Wolfshead » Sun May 23, 2004 10:45 pm

Could Cedric be called evil or just crazy?

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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Lowebo » Sun May 23, 2004 11:04 pm

How about a fruitloop?
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Wolfshead » Sun May 23, 2004 11:06 pm

Who was rudest Cedric or Ellita? Could Ellita beat him in a duel of insults?

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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by HStorm » Sun May 23, 2004 11:17 pm

I think Cedric was a bit cruder, and certainly much louder and more foul-tempered, but being an elf Elita was that bit cleverer.
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Lowebo » Sun May 23, 2004 11:28 pm

I could take them both. Unless Magic and Staffs were used. But being in Staffs i would have a bit of help. *Awful Awful attempt at a pun. Bed-Time - Night All*
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Wolfshead » Fri May 28, 2004 10:14 pm

Which Knightmare villain was the most evil?

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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by HarveyTowers » Sat May 29, 2004 8:51 am

Lord Fear was the most evil. He may have had a sense of humour but he was always prepared to do harm (he told Lissard and Hands to go and hurt themselves often enogh!) He is also shown throughout the show with the Spy Glasses.

I don't remeber Mogdred from the first time round, but he isn't as powerful as Fear - nor was he integrated into the story. He spent to much time trying to get dungeoneers over to the darkside. Also, his magic was weaker - there was a move away from traditional "spell casting" in the later years e.g. the use of latin words, Treguard used the staff not d-i-s-m-i-s-s, even dungeoneers tended to drink potions instead.

I thought that Hordriss took over from Merlin as the Cheif of the Powers that Be - hence the presentation of the prizes.

Treguard dosen't help the teams solve individual problems in the last few series like he did in 3/4 (he used to hint about what objects to use in each room: "Raise the alarm, team" meaing use the horn) but still hinted ("What did the scroll say?") Maybe it's just that clues were more subtle; they tended to come from dialogue with Pickle or Majida.
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by HStorm » Sat May 29, 2004 11:52 am

I think Treguard's reduced help for the teams was more about the lack of puzzles and serious obstacles in later years. He was giving hints all the time in the early years because there was a puzzle in almost every room back then. If you watch later seasons, a lot of locations were quite bare.

I agree that Mogdred wasn't as powerful as Lord Fear, and certainly wasn't as powerful as he painted himself. Most of Mogdred's threat came from his ability to intimidate with his booming laugh, but he never did all that much harm actively. Mind you, he was able to restrain Treguard with just a thought, which is something Fear could never do, so we shouldn't write Moggy off altogether.

As for who was the most evil, well that's a very subjective question. How do you quantify evil?

Morghanna's magic killed dungeoneers on both her appearances, but then does that make her particularly evil or just powerful (or for that matter does it just make the teams in question careless)?

Lillith would kill dungeoneers simply for not offering her an adequate present, but looking at her overall it's hard to say she was really evil, just petty and spiteful.

On the whole, I'm not sure anyone was particularly evil in the series - the big-hitters all bad-mouthed a lot, but what evils were they actually committing? They only seemed to be harming the dungeoneers themselves, but why shouldn't they when the dungeoneers were setting themselves up as opponents in the first place?
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Wolfshead » Sat May 29, 2004 1:44 pm

Very interesting. I've never really considered how powerful Mogdred and Lord Fear were.

I suppose Fear had more power in general becasue he had minions as well as magic.

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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by HStorm » Sat May 29, 2004 2:27 pm

Well, Mogdred had minions as well like Fatiilla and Gumboil, but there just doesn't seem to be much evidence of Mogdred's vaunted power i.e. he always threatened but he rarely delivered.
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Wolfshead » Sat May 29, 2004 10:57 pm

I'm not sure really if Mogdred had mininions or was just part of the opposition. Fatilla said he worked for old skull face, but I'm not so sure that was Mogdred. Can't really say with Gumboil cos I havn't seen series 2 in 16 years.

When i first saw Lord Fear I thought that he was head of the opposition all the time, but had never revealed himself, after all there had been no spyblasses before.

Also I think it was interesting that one team were offered a magnifying glass by Merlin and he said that it was no ordinary magnifying glass.

It could've been a spyglass, what would it show?

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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by HStorm » Sat May 29, 2004 11:08 pm

No, I doubt it was a spyglass. I remember the dungeoneer at the time suggested it was a con, and I believe him. It might have been a magic glass of some kind, but I doubt it would have been of much use.

The reason why I think Gumboil was probably in Mogdred's employ was because he was always demanding passwords and someone has to assign these things.

And when Fatilla was referring to old skull face it was defnitely Mogdred he meant. Nobody else matched that description at all at the time (unless you're suggesting that one of the skull hauntings or a catacombite was in charge), and Lord Fear hadn't been invented back then. We all like our retro-active explanations for obscurities, but it's not necessary in this case.
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by Purgatory » Sat May 29, 2004 11:48 pm

lol the skull in charge.... well it did show up guarding the quest object..

Mogdred trying to get people to join the dark side was 'evil' enough.. and enjoyment on watching teams die (season 2) and a death in season 4, (something Fear never did!!!!!

As for evil...none of the characters were evil.. there actions may have been 'bad' but no one is going to site there are allow someone to take advantage of them or hurt them in anyway. Fear wanted power,

Doesn't matter of that was a spyglass or not.. there was no way the team could have used it without the eye shield.
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Re:A good Vs Evil topic

Post by HStorm » Sat May 29, 2004 11:59 pm

But... they DID have the eye-shield.
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