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Forum Concern...

Post by Malefact » Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:10 pm

I'm posting this because I'm becoming increasingly concerned about the level of negativity being created by some members. Whilst the running of this forum is nothing to do with me, the enjoyment of fellow members is - sharing floorspace with other people demands courtesy and consideration. It is precisely because of this principal (that I believe in totally) that I feel the need to put forward my opinions in this matter.

Too many people are coming across as impolite, brusque and unnecessarily belligerent. I'm quite prepared to accept that this is unintentional and that it's just how certain people work. However, rudeness is rudeness, whether the culprit is aware of it or not.

So, on behalf of everyone using this forum (who is here to have a good time and take part in good-spirited discussion with fellow fans) I would ask for a little more consideration, respect and maturity and a little less cluelessness and rudeness. Thank you.
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Fidjit » Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:12 pm

Sorry sir...
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Kieran » Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:17 pm

I agree most fully with you, Malefact. I have been put off recently with the amount of negativity shown by other forum members, and I don't think that is particularly fair.

Hints and suggestions are fine, yet plain simple snapping out orders is a little unnecessary, and creates arguments that should not be a part of the forum. I call for a bit more consideration on these points, and hopefully the forum can feel more friendly again.
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Drassil » Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:21 pm

I must admit, I am a lot more nervous about posting on the Forum than I used to be, because of the situation that Malefact identifies. Fair enough, the URL of the Forum is talkknightmare, and many people have cogent views to express; but it will only function as an enjoyable and stimulating place to be if it is regarded as listenknightmare too - by all who wish to post here.
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Post by TheBrollachan » Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:50 pm

As a moderator of a different forum I agree with you Malefact.

I think a little bit of series pruning of some topics and where necessary deleting topics in order to remove the negative and rude comments. I know it means Illusion will have to spend a fair bit of time, but some threads have gone so far off-topic that it is necessary.

I can put up with a bit of sillyness, and constructive/friendly arguments. However I cannot stand members being rude towards other members for no reason. If you want to talk about other members use the PM facility and not the general boards. Leave the fights until you get out into the playground.

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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Mashibinbin » Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:04 pm

Dear all, it has been an age since I set foot in here. I had initially high for the new design etc. Unfortanately we were plagued with ppl who put me severely off returning. Whilst not being able to access these forums in Shanghai, for thats where I am at present, I have been getting slowly more encouraged to come back. However, many of my closest friends from forum claim but there are some who are indeed aggravating things with no just cause and putting off many a poster I beleive. Manners cost nothing and I only hope things return to some sort of normalcy soon.
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Superspurs » Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:01 pm

malefact, kieran and Hstorm let's just call a truce on this whole thing. anyway can someone give me details about this chat thing at the weekend.
By the way can someone explain exactly how you score points on this site.
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Malefact » Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:09 pm

Asking for a truce implies that we're responsible for the negativity as well when all we're trying to do is to calm the situation and try to make this place somewhere fun to be for everyone.

Personally, I'd very much like it for us all to move on if people have understood and taken on board the point that I've made.

To access the chat, you'll see a tab called 'Interactive' on the left-hand side of the www.knightmare.com front page. Clicking on it will take you to the Interactive Knightmare site. Click 'Clients' and select the program you'd like to use. (I use jIRC because it's simple for me to use - just make sure you select channel 6667 and not 6666). Tap in the name you'd like to go by and connect. You should find yourself in the chat room.

When you talk about points, I'll assume that you mean the post count beneath everyone's name. It's just the total number of times that person has posted something in this forum. It isn't a points system, though, and shouldn't really be treated as one - posting just to shore up one's count isn't particularly constructive, imo, and it wastes bandwidth. If you feel you have something constructive to say, though, that's what this forum is for and you're welcome to join in. :)

(P.S.: Again, I can't speak for Illusion, who runs and pays for the site and forum, but I hope that I properly defend the spirit in which it is done.)
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Kieran » Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:16 pm

Yes, the main point was to calm things down as it is starting to cause many problems. However the post I made in general, and was not specifically aimed at you on your own.

If you have any trouble in accessing the chat room let me know and I shall try to help you in any way required.
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by HarveyTowers » Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:20 pm

Lets just remember what we ae posting. OK, sometimes replies are not the most offensive in the world but it's not enjoyable to read posts where people insult each other.

Let's bring this to a close...
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Illusion » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:05 pm

I'm sorry that members feel that the forum isn't the friendly place that it once was. It's a difficult suituation. As you know I don't tolerate any sort of abuse and will remove messages and/or member's accounts as necessary.

The snapping/negativity between members is a little harder to detect, since it more affects people on a personal level and not as obvious.

I have two possible suggestions to help relieve the problem:

1) Members affected by particular posts should make use of the 'Report to moderator' button and let me know a brief reason of the problem. While I scan through all messages, I may well miss things (especially as there are so many posts). I can then edit/delete messages very quickly. If a particular member is regularly reported then I can let the member know of the problem and try to resolve the issue.

2) Appoint one or two moderators to help me monitor posts and edit/delete messages and issue warnings as necessary. I have been reluctant to do this up to now, since there is the issue of having an consistent approach, and also the selection of members to be moderators could bring disputes. However I do not wish to rule this out, and would be willing to give this a go if members think it's a good idea. I would appoint one or two members I have in mind.
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Post by MoanaLiza » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:15 pm

Can I nominate Kieran and Malefact as the two mods? Maybe we (the regular members) could have a vote who we think should be the moderators, if you agree Illusion.
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Post by TheBrollachan » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:23 pm

From my experience I would probably recommend the second option.

Sometimes a problem with a post can rapidly spread out of hand, and if only one person moderate by the time they check the board chaos reigns. If there is more than one moderator they are likely to be online at different times, and may be able to fix the problem post whilst it remains small.

However I would restrict what a moderator could do (depends on what your AdminCP is like). I would recommend allowing moderators to edit & delete post, lock & delete threads, and possibly warn members. I would not recommend allowing them to ban members as this is a more serious aspect.

Also I would recommend passing on a list of guidelines to any moderators as to what sort of things should be deleted and what to leave etc. Thus standards of moderating do not vary wildly.

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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Illusion » Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:43 pm

I agree that moderators would be useful during times of the day when I'm not around the forum. I'm usually on the forum in the evenings only, so moderators during the day would help respond quicker to disputes.

Yes. Moderators would not be able to ban members or remove accounts, but will be able to add/remove messages and issue warnings.

As for names of moderators... yes please suggest names of members who you think would be suitable moderators. I won't reveal the two who I think would be good at it yet, but they would obviously be invited for the role and if they do not wish to do it, that would be fine.

I would also appoint moderators on a one month trial basis to start with, to see how it affects the forum.
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Re:Forum Concern...

Post by Forester » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:11 pm


As a lurker (someone who reads but doesn't usually post) I'd like to just say that some arguments that I've come across aren't always just one persons fault but basically a combination of continuous misunderstandings. Yes of course there does seem to be the odd occurance of trolls but they seem pretty rare in comparison.

What's my point, well I'm just wondering if more moderators were appointed would they be unbiased and uninvolved. Would there be a reasonable set of guidelines for how issues are dealt with, what with there being a variety of issues that can occur it's hard to say. The question is, when moderation occurs collectively where is the line drawn and how is it implemented.

So a little personal suggestion based very much upon a previous post here on this thread... Only allow moderators to deal with threads / posts where someone (anyone except a moderator) has indicated a problem. But that still doesn't solve the issue of the action to take on such a report.
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