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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by MoanaLiza » Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:32 pm

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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by Wolfshead » Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:17 pm

3 and 4

I would say just 3 if it had:

Corridor of blades
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Swinging axe room
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by mattymoo_goblin » Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:31 pm

Series 6, 7 & 8 to me were my fav overall. What I really liked about them was the music that added so much tension especially in Series 8 with the Reach Wand and the sound of a troll approaching. Really had me shouting at the screen.

Although a lot of people think Series 3 is the best i admit i havent seen every last bit of it but i honestly think it is not very fun because some bits dragged on for ages like with the wall monsters and to me there weren't actually any major traps or puzzles, not like Trial by Spikes or Causeway type puzzles but correct me if i'm wrong here.

Character wise Series 6 & 7 had some very entertaining characters that acted well and made the series seem more interesting and enjoyable. Elita, Rodolfo, Sidriss, Rothberry and Lord Fear are clear examples of this.

Teams wise i prefered the later series because teams didnt die quite as often and i know a lot of people hate the whole letting teams off, but i believe that every team dying on level 1 and a new quest starting off after 10mins is rather tedious and repetitive with that dice room and the same level 1 rooms.

Series 8 is probably my favourite after seeing 6, 7 & 8 again because it was slightly less forgiving with some early deaths, it was in dungeons, etc with music that really added tension and had some great acting from lord fear.
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by HStorm » Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:01 pm

mattymoo_goblin wrote: to me there weren't actually any major traps or puzzles, not like Trial by Spikes or Causeway type puzzles but correct me if i'm wrong here.
The reason why that seems to be the case is because there were no consistent quest killers in season 3. This is because there were plenty of different obstacles in the early seasons. In later seasons, you could go through three or four different locations at a time without encountering any obstacle or opponents at all (now THAT'S really boring!) so inevitably most of the failures would happen in the one or two puzzles they did encounter. Most of the deaths were on the Corridor of Blades or the Causeways, but that's because there was rarely anything else to stop the dungeoneer. There was far more variety of quest-deaths originally.
Character wise Series 6 & 7 had some very entertaining characters that acted well and made the series seem more interesting and enjoyable. Elita, Rodolfo, Sidriss, Rothberry and Lord Fear are clear examples of this.
Yeah, right! The character list also included Fidjit, Raptor, Romahna, Ah Wok and the Brollachan, so I'd say it was a pretty mixed bag, as it always was throughout the eight seasons.
i know a lot of people hate the whole letting teams off, but i believe that every team dying on level 1 and a new quest starting off after 10mins is rather tedious and repetitive with that dice room and the same level 1 rooms.


Well, the level one rooms were far more varied in the 2nd and 3rd seasons than in the 6th and 7th so that's untrue anyway, but in any case, as I mentioned above the most irritating aspect of Knightmare was the long swathes of nothing happening for up to fifteen minutes at a time in seasons 6 & 7. This was especially common in level one in those years. Watch Naila Khan's quest, team 3 season 7, for an example. In the first quarter of an hour of that adventure she encounters no dangers whatsoever. She just keeps wandering around talking amiably to people. Those tedious spells of inactivity just wouldn't have happened a few years earlier.

The later seasons were comparatively bland.
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by Willowherb » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:43 pm

I know this thread's been done before, but it's only fair doing it again for the knew folks. I'm all for early Knightmare. I can't speak for Season 1, since I never saw any of it - I wish I had. Series 2 and 3 were pretty excellent though. I remember watching a video of one of the later seasons and then putting on episodes from 2 and they're in different leagues. Early on the pace was much faster, the clueroom questions were generally harder (bad news as well for any kids who knew nothing about classical mythology) and there were a number of occasions when I was genuinely sitting on the edge of my seat, willing a dungeoneer to survive!
Two teams won in series 2 as well, so it's not like it was pitched too difficult - just a real challenge.

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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by Kieran » Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:26 pm

Season 3 feels the best well rounded, although I do find each season to have at least 1 outstanding element within it which the others don't.

I find S7 to be highly tense, some good ideas and characters, and as I've stated more time than I can remember, I just wish there was more of S4 (in terms of creativity/quest idividuality etc).
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by FrightKnight » Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:22 pm

Is it me, or was series 7 really quite easy? No causeways, only one instance of the corridor of blades, and far too many seemingly pointless 'sight' spells. Quite how 5 teams still managed to die I can't quite understand. The Play Your Cards Right was, let's face it, not much more difficult than Merlin's Magic Room in series 3 (where, of course, you also had to get 2 riddles correct). The Pooka count was depressingly poor, too.

Series 8, by comparison, was quite groovy. Given a full 16 episodes, it would stand shoulder to shoulder with series 6, laughing at the purple series 4 and be a reasonable contender for best series of the lot. Those things from an episode of Stingray were quite deadly, you had to get some riddles correct (instead of say, bluffing), and the eye shield sequences were never more than 7 seconds long.

Of course, I still have to see series 2...
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by MoanaLiza » Sun Jun 06, 2004 8:05 pm

FrightKnight wrote:Quite how 5 teams still managed to die I can't quite understand.
..and on the verge of victory. I would say that it's quite as easy as Merlins magic room in series three as it was just steps, which Treguard would hint that needed to be taken. PYCR was only easy if you got the way that the cards work and sequence went and I guess at the teams ages its harder to work out then at our ages. Also looking back at the series 7 team guides there was the same amount of deaths on PYCR as there was with TBS which was actually only two. There was actually a 100% success rate on PYCR during s8
FrightKnight wrote:Series 8, by comparison, was quite groovy. Given a full 16 episodes, it would stand shoulder to shoulder with series 6
I believe that if series 8 had been 16 episodes then Olivers team probably would've won. I doubt that theirs nor Dunstans team would've had the 'short cut' either as they wouldn't have needed it. The end of series possibly would have been a lot better and more spectacular and the final dungeoneer probably would have had more involvement such as having to retrieve or stop something also.
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by Wolfshead » Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:10 pm

For the moment i'd ave to say series 3, but once I've seen 1 and 2 again I might change my mind since 2 has some knice rooms and effects that you don't get in 3 and it has good characters too like Cedric, Folly, Lillith and Olaf. For the moment I'd say 3 or a combination of 3 and 4.

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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by Dan » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:40 pm

HStorm wrote:The reason why that seems to be the case is because there were no consistent quest killers in season 3.
Indeed; and a lot of deaths were caused by dungeoneers simply walking off the path whilst they could still technically win. Teams 1, 3, 5 and 6 (and also 9, although this was mostly caused by missing a step clue) all simply walked off a path or cliff when they were still able to win, as opposed to being forced off due to earlier mistakes.

When a mistake had been made, it also varied as to which room the dungeoneer would be in when they were finally put out of their misery; none of this "if you'd had magic you'd have been able to survive " stuff that pervaded the later seasons. In fact, only two teams died in the same room - Martin and Leo, both picked off in the stained glass room1.

Series 3, whilst it still had timing challenges in the form of the Cats in level 3, the corridor of spears, mills of doom/spindizzy etc. didn't have anything like the corridor of blades or block and tackle to induce panic in teams.

1 Or, if you want to be picky, Simon and Leo, who were both shown falling off the same outside cliff to their deaths.

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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by beamrider2600 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:27 pm

Probably series 7 has the most memories for me, because when it was on originally I was into it the most then.
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by FrightKnight » Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:53 pm

If you were to plot what my opinions of KM down the years were like on a graph, you'd end up with a swooping, jagged line. I have yet to see any of series 2, so I can't comment on that, but my guess is that 1 starts off ok, 2 gets better, 3 reaches a peak, 4 swoops down and 5 is in the trough. Series 6 reaches another peak, 7 has a big dip (it had barry, but no challenge) and 8 zooms up again.

In theory, series 8 should be the best series, as it combines the best bits of series 1-3 (it's in a dungeon, there's a bit where the dungeoneer has to get 2 out of 3 riddles, there are some great lines and there is a good pace to it again) with series 4-7 (the role-play bits are good, the eye-shield is far better in short bursts and Lord fear is great). However, the short length of it leading to all sorts of glitches such as the short cut and the lack of a proper ending hurt.

So, just to recap, the series in one-word answers:

1- Warm-up
2- ? (Probably good though)
3- Hard
4- Purple
5- Messy
6- Fun
7- Dull
8- Gorgeous

But 3, 6 and 8 are the best.
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by beamrider2600 » Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:55 pm

I didn't like Series 8 at the time, I was used to the more photo-realistic series of 6 and 7, because I only started watching at series 6. My reaction to it was that they were trying to dumb it down - CITV (maybe it was just me getting older) seamed to be targeting younger and younger audiences - and showing more cartoons and stuff as opposed to "real" programs - and I thought KM becoming more computer-generated was to make it look more cartoony to appeal to younger audiences. I was only 9 at the time, and I was genuinly scared of watching KM during series 7 - I used to have nightmares about the Brollachan, lol - but I liked it - and I thought by becoming unrealistic they were trying to make it less scary.

Obviously this isn't the case and I haven't seen series 8 since - so I'd like to see it again and form a better opinion.
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by Scott_Wilkinson » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:20 pm

I can't really say which one was my favourite as they were all brilliant, but I think Series 6 might be my top vote. I noticed since series 6, Knightmare was getting more and more better, they should never have stopped series 9 from going through.

(I'm sure most fans would agree with me on that.)
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Re:Which Series is best??

Post by Wolfshead » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:36 pm

They were all goo, they all had their pros and cons, but for me Knightmare has to be in the gloom of the dungeon and 1-3 and 8 did that very well. I won't be able to watch 1 and 2 until next Friday 9when i get back home from Uni) so I can't rightly say for them, but 3 had all the ingrediants of a successful series apart from the fact that it as too tough. 8 had some good atmos, but I prefer Treguard's neutrality and I found Majida annoying.

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